sh: line 1: /etc/init.d/proftpd: No such file or directory

[triali]

Hallo zusammen
Nach langer suche fand ich doch noch ein rpm für Suse ... :-)
Mein System ist Suse 8.2
Der FTP ist der ProFTPd version 1.25

Jedoch wenn ich in starten will ( mit Webmin ) bekomme ich die Fehlermeldung:
sh: line 1: /etc/init.d/proftpd: No such file or directory

Was kann ich tun? ....

Danke für die Antworten ...  :wink:

[stonki]

Hallo zusammen
Nach langer suche fand ich doch noch ein rpm für Suse ... :-)
Mein System ist Suse 8.2
Der FTP ist der ProFTPd version 1.25

Jedoch wenn ich in starten will ( mit Webmin ) bekomme ich die Fehlermeldung:
sh: line 1: /etc/init.d/proftpd: No such file or directory

Was kann ich tun? ....
Danke für die Antworten ...  :wink:

EINE AKTUELLE PROFTPD VERSION installieren und selber kompilieren. Die ganzen RPMs fuer SuSE (einschliesslich meiner Versuche) waren alle nicht das gelbe vom Ei !!

cu
stonki

[triali]

Und was mach ich mit diesen tar files ....
./configure funtzt
make funtzt nicht
make install funtzt auch nicht ...  :evil:

Unter RedHat was das alles kein Problem,
aber Suse 8.2 bringt mich noch um ....   :shock:

[stonki]

Und was mach ich mit diesen tar files ....
./configure funtzt
make funtzt nicht
make install funtzt auch nicht ...  :evil:

Unter RedHat was das alles kein Problem,
aber Suse 8.2 bringt mich noch um ....   :shock:

was sagt den make ......

lass Dir doch nicht alles aus der Nase ziehen ! :?!

[triali]

# make
echo \#define BUILD_STAMP \"`date`\" >include/buildstamp.h
cd lib/ && make lib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib'
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c pr_fnmatch.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c strsep.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c vsnprintf.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c glibc-glob.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c glibc-mkstemp.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c pr-syslog.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c pwgrent.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c getopt.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c getopt1.c
ar rc libsupp.a pr_fnmatch.o strsep.o vsnprintf.o glibc-glob.o glibc-mkstemp.o pr-syslog.o pwgrent.o getopt.o getopt1.o
ranlib libsupp.a
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib'
cd src/ && make src
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/src'
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c main.c
main.c: In function `cmd_loop':
main.c:772: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
main.c: In function `daemon_loop':
main.c:1473: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
main.c:1491: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c timers.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c sets.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c pool.c
pool.c: In function `__walk_pools':
pool.c:253: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c regexp.c
regexp.c: In function `regexp_cleanup':
regexp.c:45: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
regexp.c: In function `pr_regexp_free':
regexp.c:102: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c dirtree.c
dirtree.c: In function `define_exists':
dirtree.c:363: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
dirtree.c: In function `match_ip':
dirtree.c:1359: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
dirtree.c:1360: warning: signed and unsigned type in conditional expression
dirtree.c: In function `_check_limits':
dirtree.c:1729: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
dirtree.c:1734: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
dirtree.c: In function `_find_best_dir':
dirtree.c:2346: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
dirtree.c:2350: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
dirtree.c: In function `get_full_cmd':
dirtree.c:3176: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c support.c
support.c: In function `access_check':
support.c:516: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c inet.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c log.c
log.c: In function `log':
log.c:437: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c bindings.c
bindings.c: In function `pr_ipbind_close':
bindings.c:249: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
bindings.c:283: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
bindings.c: In function `pr_ipbind_create':
bindings.c:318: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
bindings.c: In function `pr_ipbind_open':
bindings.c:526: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
bindings.c: In function `pr_namebind_create':
bindings.c:588: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
bindings.c: In function `pr_namebind_find':
bindings.c:663: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c scoreboard.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c feat.c
feat.c: In function `pr_add_feat':
feat.c:49: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
feat.c: In function `pr_get_next_feat':
feat.c:67: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c netio.c
netio.c: In function `pr_netio_read':
netio.c:648: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
netio.c: In function `pr_netio_gets':
netio.c:758: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
netio.c: In function `pr_netio_telnet_gets':
netio.c:824: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c response.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c ident.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c data.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c modules.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c auth.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c fsio.c
fsio.c: In function `pr_unregister_fs':
fsio.c:589: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c:607: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c: In function `pr_get_fs':
fsio.c:671: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c: In function `pr_fs_interpolate':
fsio.c:1017: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c:1017: warning: signed and unsigned type in conditional expression
fsio.c:1030: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c:1030: warning: signed and unsigned type in conditional expression
fsio.c:1058: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c: In function `pr_fsio_chroot':
fsio.c:2321: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c: In function `pr_fsio_gets':
fsio.c:2376: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
fsio.c: In function `pr_resolve_fs_map':
fsio.c:2515: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mkhome.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/src'
cd modules/ && make modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/modules'
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_core.c
mod_core.c: In function `set_rlimitmemory':
mod_core.c:1046: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c:1049: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c:1061: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c:1064: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c:1096: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c:1099: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c:1111: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c:1114: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c: In function `set_authorder':
mod_core.c:2253: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_core.c: In function `core_sess_init':
mod_core.c:3796: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_xfer.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_auth_unix.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_auth_file.c
mod_auth_file.c: In function `set_authgroupfile':
mod_auth_file.c:941: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_auth_file.c: In function `set_authuserfile':
mod_auth_file.c:1042: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_auth.c
mod_auth.c: In function `auth_count_scoreboard':
mod_auth.c:1527: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_auth.c:1549: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_auth.c:1570: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_auth.c:1590: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_auth.c: In function `auth_pass':
mod_auth.c:1820: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_auth.c: In function `set_createhome':
mod_auth.c:1996: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_ls.c
mod_ls.c: In function `_find_ls_limit':
mod_ls.c:103: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_ls.c:113: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_ls.c: In function `sortfiles':
mod_ls.c:578: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_ls.c: In function `dolist':
mod_ls.c:1162: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_log.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_site.c
mod_site.c: In function `site_chgrp':
mod_site.c:82: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_site.c:120: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
mod_site.c: In function `site_chmod':
mod_site.c:152: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c mod_cap.c
mod_cap.c: In function `set_caps':
mod_cap.c:143: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
srcdir=. ./glue.sh mod_core.o mod_xfer.o mod_auth_unix.o mod_auth_file.o mod_auth.o mod_ls.o mod_log.o mod_site.o  mod_cap.o
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c module_glue.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/modules'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib/libcap'
=> making cap_names.c from <linux/capability.h>
cc -O2 -Wall -Llib  _makenames.c -o _makenames
./_makenames > cap_names.h
cc -O2 -Wall -c cap_alloc.c -o cap_alloc.o
cc -O2 -Wall -c cap_proc.c -o cap_proc.o
cc -O2 -Wall -c cap_extint.c -o cap_extint.o
cap_extint.c: In function `cap_copy_ext':
cap_extint.c:53: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
cap_extint.c:64: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
cap_extint.c: In function `cap_copy_int':
cap_extint.c:111: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
cc -O2 -Wall -c cap_flag.c -o cap_flag.o
cc -O2 -Wall -c cap_text.c -o cap_text.o
cc -O2 -Wall -c cap_sys.c -o cap_sys.o
ar rcu libcap.a cap_alloc.o cap_proc.o cap_extint.o cap_flag.o cap_text.o cap_sys.o
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib/libcap'
gcc -Llib  -o proftpd src/main.o src/timers.o src/sets.o src/pool.o src/regexp.o src/dirtree.o src/support.o src/inet.o src/log.o src/bindings.o src/scoreboard.o src/feat.o src/netio.o src/response.o src/ident.o src/data.o src/modules.o src/auth.o src/fsio.o src/mkhome.o modules/mod_core.o modules/mod_xfer.o modules/mod_auth_unix.o modules/mod_auth_file.o modules/mod_auth.o modules/mod_ls.o modules/mod_log.o modules/mod_site.o modules/mod_cap.o  modules/module_glue.o -lsupp -lcrypt  -Llib/libcap -lcap
cd utils/ && make utils
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/utils'
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c ftpcount.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c scoreboard.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c ftpshut.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c ftptop.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c ftpwho.c
gcc  -DLINUX  -I.. -I../include  -O2 -Wall -c misc.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/utils'
gcc -o ftpcount utils/ftpcount.o utils/scoreboard.o
gcc -o ftpshut utils/ftpshut.o
gcc -Llib  -o ftptop utils/ftptop.o utils/scoreboard.o -lncurses
gcc -Llib  -o ftpwho utils/ftpwho.o utils/scoreboard.o utils/misc.o -lsupp

# make install
cd lib/ && make lib
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib'
make[1]: Für das Ziel »lib« ist nichts zu tun.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib'
cd src/ && make src
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/src'
make[1]: Für das Ziel »src« ist nichts zu tun.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/src'
cd modules/ && make modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/modules'
make[1]: Für das Ziel »modules« ist nichts zu tun.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/modules'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib/libcap'
make[1]: Für das Ziel »all« ist nichts zu tun.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/triali/proftp/proftpd-1.2.8/lib/libcap'
gcc -Llib  -o proftpd src/main.o src/timers.o src/sets.o src/pool.o src/regexp.o src/dirtree.o src/support.o src/inet.o src/log.o src/bindings.o src/scoreboard.o src/feat.o src/netio.o src/response.o src/ident.o src/data.o src/modules.o src/auth.o src/fsio.o src/mkhome.o modules/mod_core.o modules/mod_xfer.o modules/mod_auth_unix.o modules/mod_auth_file.o modules/mod_auth.o modules/mod_ls.o modules/mod_log.o modules/mod_site.o modules/mod_cap.o  modules/module_glue.o -lsupp -lcrypt  -Llib/libcap -lcap
/usr/bin/install -c -s -o root -g root -m 0755 proftpd /usr/local/sbin/proftpd
if [ -f /usr/local/sbin/in.proftpd ] ; then \
        rm -f /usr/local/sbin/in.proftpd ; \
fi
ln -s proftpd /usr/local/sbin/in.proftpd
chown -h root:root /usr/local/sbin/in.proftpd
/usr/bin/install -c -s -o root -g root -m 0755  ftpcount /usr/local/bin/ftpcount
/usr/bin/install -c -s -o root -g root -m 0755 ftpshut  /usr/local/sbin/ftpshut
/usr/bin/install -c -s -o root -g root -m 0755  ftptop   /usr/local/bin/ftptop
/usr/bin/install -c -s -o root -g root -m 0755  ftpwho   /usr/local/bin/ftpwho
if [ ! -f /usr/local/etc/proftpd.conf ] ; then \
        /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 \
                   ./sample-configurations/basic.conf \
                   /usr/local/etc/proftpd.conf ; \
fi
/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 ./src/proftpd.8    /usr/local/man/man8
/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 ./utils/ftpshut.8  /usr/local/man/man8
/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 ./utils/ftpcount.1 /usr/local/man/man1
/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 ./utils/ftptop.1   /usr/local/man/man1
/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 ./utils/ftpwho.1   /usr/local/man/man1
/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g root -m 0644 ./src/xferlog.5    /usr/local/man/man5

[stonki]

und ? :??

ich sehe keine Fehler, es wird installiert. Was willste denn noch ?

[triali]

Wieso findet den Webmin kein Proftpd mehr ..?

[Wörsty]

Zum Beispiel weil beim Selbstkompilieren kein Startscript installiert wird?
Guck mal hier: http://www.proftpd.de/index.php?id=15

[triali]

ok den tesxt vom script habe ich gefunden,
nur was mach ich jetzt damit?

In initd ein File erstellen das Proftpd heisst ... ?
Das z.b habe ich gemacht ... ( Wer weiss obs stimmt .. )
Dann bekomme ich beim startversuch permisson denied ..

Und jetzt??  :roll:

[Wörsty]

Probier mal

Code:

chmod 755 proftpd

 :wait)

[Anonymous]

Guuuut !! Du bist ja gar nicht so schlecht .... hehehe
( Sorry bin ziemlich mit den Nerven fertig )

Ok proftpd läuft suuuuuper ...  :shock:

Jetzt noch ne kleine Frage:
Wie sperre ich einen User in sein Home Verzeichniss ein?

Meine Proftpd config:

ServerName         "ichbins.ch"
ServerIdent         on "FTP Server ready."
ServerAdmin         info@ichbins.ch
#ServerType         standart
DefaultServer         on
AccessGrantMsg         "User %u logged in."
#DisplayConnect         /etc/ftpissue
#DisplayLogin         /etc/ftpmotd
#DisplayGoAway         /etc/ftpgoaway
#DeferWelcome         off

# Use this to excude users from the chroot
DefaultRoot         ~ !adm

TimeoutNoTransfer               600
TimeoutStalled                  600
TimeoutIdle                     1200

Port                            21
Umask                           002  002

maxInstances                    30

User                            nobody
Group                           nogroup

    AllowOverwrite      no
    <Limit READ>
      DenyAll
    </Limit>

    <Limit STOR>
      AllowAll
    </Limit>

  # Don't write anonymous accesses to the system wtmp file (good idea!)
  WtmpLog         off

<VirtualHost kunde1.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde1.ch
ServerName "www.kunde1.ch"
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde2.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde2.ch
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde3.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde3.ch
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde4.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde4.ch
</VirtualHost>

usw ....

Alle Domains laufen bei mir auf Apache ....

[Wörsty]

MiniFAQ :RTFM

[Anonymous]

Variante A (klappt nicht )


ServerName "ichbins.ch"
ServerIdent on "FTP Server ready."
ServerAdmin info@ichbins.ch
#ServerType standart
DefaultServer on
AccessGrantMsg "User %u logged in."
#DisplayConnect /etc/ftpissue
#DisplayLogin /etc/ftpmotd
#DisplayGoAway /etc/ftpgoaway
#DeferWelcome off

# Use this to excude users from the chroot
DefaultRoot ~ !adm

TimeoutNoTransfer 600
TimeoutStalled 600
TimeoutIdle 1200

Port 21
Umask 002 002

maxInstances 30

User nobody
Group nogroup

AllowOverwrite no
<Limit READ>
DenyAll
</Limit>

<Limit STOR>
AllowAll
</Limit>

# Don't write anonymous accesses to the system wtmp file (good idea!)
WtmpLog off

<VirtualHost kunde1.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde1.ch
ServerName "www.kunde1.ch"
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde2.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde2.ch
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde3.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde3.ch
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde4.ch>
ServerName "ichbins.ch"
ServerIdent on "FTP Server ready."
ServerAdmin info@ichbins.ch
#ServerType standart
DefaultServer on
AccessGrantMsg "User %u logged in."
#DisplayConnect /etc/ftpissue
#DisplayLogin /etc/ftpmotd
#DisplayGoAway /etc/ftpgoaway
#DeferWelcome off

# Use this to excude users from the chroot
DefaultRoot ~ !adm

TimeoutNoTransfer 600
TimeoutStalled 600
TimeoutIdle 1200

Port 21
Umask 002 002

maxInstances 30

User nobody
Group nogroup

AllowOverwrite no
<Limit READ>
DenyAll
</Limit>

<Limit STOR>
AllowAll
</Limit>

# Don't write anonymous accesses to the system wtmp file (good idea!)
WtmpLog off

<VirtualHost kunde1.ch>
defaultroot ~
ServerName "www.kunde1.ch"
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde2.ch>
defaultroot ~
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde3.ch>
defaultroot ~
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde4.ch>
defaultroot ~
</VirtualHost>

Veriante B (klappt auch nicht )

ServerName "ichbins.ch"
ServerIdent on "FTP Server ready."
ServerAdmin info@ichbins.ch
#ServerType standart
DefaultServer on
AccessGrantMsg "User %u logged in."
#DisplayConnect /etc/ftpissue
#DisplayLogin /etc/ftpmotd
#DisplayGoAway /etc/ftpgoaway
#DeferWelcome off

# Use this to excude users from the chroot
DefaultRoot ~ !adm

TimeoutNoTransfer 600
TimeoutStalled 600
TimeoutIdle 1200

Port 21
Umask 002 002

maxInstances 30

User nobody
Group nogroup

AllowOverwrite no
<Limit READ>
DenyAll
</Limit>

<Limit STOR>
AllowAll
</Limit>

# Don't write anonymous accesses to the system wtmp file (good idea!)
WtmpLog off

<VirtualHost kunde1.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde1.ch
ServerName "www.kunde1.ch"
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde2.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde2.ch
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde3.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde3.ch
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost kunde4.ch>
DefaultRoot /home/www.kunde4.ch
</VirtualHost>

Wo ligt der Fehler??   /

[Wörsty]

Hatten wir das diese Woche nicht schon mal  :??
Wo landest du denn immer?
WAS geht denn nicht?
Du weißt, dass alle kunden.ch andere IP's haben müssen?

[Wörsty]

Mal ganz anders angefangen:
Wie viele "Kunden" hast du denn?
Ich hätte da ja eine :idea:  :lol: